Recently with an interview with the R&D they mentioned that they have an deck that beats all the current tier 1 decks.

"We knew the Brotherhood would be good, but we didn?t figure it would dominate this much. Our best Fantastic Four deck beats it all the time and that?s not even our best deck"

In an earlier interview, they mentioned:

"With the knowledge now gained from the Marvel Origins constructed events, are you taking any "lessons learned" back to the drawing board?"

"Yes, Longshot should have been team-stamped"

Finally, this quote from a deck designer

"I can assure everyone that there is a missing deck. It is a version of a deck that is currently written off as non-viable. Our team developed the deck fairly early after Marvel Origins was released. The difference between the "missing deck" and versions of the deck that are currently public are a few card counts and the inclusion of 4 copies of a single card. This deck definitely beats BBH, and TNB Brotherhood decks with ease and, in fact, our team has yet to find a deck that is competitive and can beat it two games in a row. We did build a deck specifically designed to beat it but it loses to everything else, literally. In the roundtable articles, articles on Metagame, and in personal conversations, the makers of Vs. have dropped very subtle hints about what deck this is. Having played the deck since the beginning, the clues are obvious, but I can see how they are missed given that versions of the deck have been assumed to be fully developed and then written off as non-competitive.

And no, I am not going to reveal the "missing deck." I will be playing it at PC Indy. I will say though that I have been intrigued by how close people have come from time to time. I have also been heartened that not only have these people missed the correct build but also that the archetype has been written off. PC Indy should be like taking candy from a baby."

Any thoughts??

ff/brotherhood or sentinel/xmen is my speculation.

Well maybe X-Men Fantastic 4 with Juganaught. They did mention that they were surprised at the limited use of Skrull and Juganaught. To be honest I do not know. I would say that uses a lot of equipment as the only deck that could eal with it, ie, equipment hate would suck against everything else.
Maybe X-men Blackbird and F4 Fantasticar combo'd with personal force field.
I will be looking at the deck lists from indy with a very close eye. Anything that beats TNB and BBHood sounds great to me!

Maybe is just a red herring to get everyone trying to play different decks in hope that it creates a new deck type? Or just to have everyone play sub-par decks so they can step in with their Brotherhood Decks and stomp over everyone. Let the conspiracy theories continue....

Humpty Dumpty was pushed ...

Prays that "The Missing Deck" is some kind of X-Men deck.

As for "their best F4 deck" - I'm really curious (as that's the other affiliation I'm collecting) and would love to find a deck list so I could build it.

I have to admit this discussion has enthralled me since it was initially posted on vsuniverse.com.

ASSUMING that Vs R&D is reasonably competent and honest, I can only believe that the deck is am inclined to think the deck is straight Doom. These are my reasons:

The deck has been written off as non-viable
R&D seem unworried about the dominance of their deck
They were surprised at the strength of Sentinels
FF is their second best deck
JD said X-Men was not their best deck
Subtle hints regarding the time it takes to develop non-beatdown strategies

I dunno, I have little faith in R&D departments. I think they often have a different opinion of what = the best deck than most players.

I secured a copy of the 'missing deck Saturday from a UDE sourse(and friend of mine). Because I am nice I'll share it with you:

3xHarley Quinn
4xRatcatcher
4xMadhatter
4xfirefly
3xCharaxes
4xKiller Croc
4xPoison Ivy
4xMr Freeze
4xJoker(7 drop)
1xApocalypse
4xFear & Confusuion
4xAerial Assault
3xKidnapped
4xAcrobatic Dodge
4xNasty Surprise
2x Break You
3xArkham Asylam

You heard it first here guys!

Honest
Arkham IS the answer

what the..? who let honest out of his cell?

did anyone explain to honest that the R&D department were talking pre-DC here?

honest knows it pre-dates DC aka. the doesn't count set, but he has this strange obsession for those who should remain in the asylum

did anyone explain to honest that the R&D department were talking pre-DC here?

WHAT! You mean there's ANOTHER missing deck???

It must be good if it can beat the DC (formerly)missing deck

Honest

Honest, I think I'll have to make this deck and try it out as it has my favourite card in the form of Rat catcher.

has anyone ever tried to turn skrulls into sentinels?

marvel team up em .....

soldiers to pump mark 4's.... a few supers - when he attacks - he readys all the skrull army characters in your front row - which now includes your marks 4s....

i dunno though - longshot wouldnt be quite as good anymore.....
you wouldnt be able to play soldiers as fast as wilds....

but maybe just a few soldiers and a few supers just to get the teampup off so that super will ready all your mark'4....i also like the idea of skrull soldiers carrying advanced hardware in the front row - exhaust- lose 3 - attacks with super - ready soldiers - exhaust - lose three....

ways to readys hotshot - and kelly.... things like this.... thats what im trying to concentrate on..... because it seems the easiest route to winning....i mean if one infinite loop or mutiple exhaustings can be found for either kelly or hotshot....phew

since i have no time to play i cant ever test anything - my friend quit after the last pcq - making me the lone player in this area....

I dont think there is one card out there that will make FF a better deck than Brotherhood. Saying one card even if you have 4 in your deck means that FF will consetantly beat brotherhood is a little silly in my opinion.

Sam K

IF there is a missing deck, it must be consistent AND powerful. Just adding team-ups, particularly only 4 generic team-ups, is not consistent. The best idea i have heard so far is abusing Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters. If out with Longshot it is ridiculous, but it would seem to me to have to have other good uses if it was to make a deck the best

From now on i'm running marvel team up and the school in my sentinel deck - say hello to my two kelly burns a turn or my two 4 card digs per turn....

You'll have the added bonus of not leaking as much BEL through Longshot, which is his major drawback.

Is Senator Kelly an X-man? WTF? Is he Sentinel Affiliated?

http://www.vsuniverse.com/db/card.asp?id=160

if you wanna play X-Men Sentinels crossover

marvel team up & xavier's school

I make kelly into an x-man, he can then be a target for the school.....

I guess now with 2 different generic team-ups, two affiliated decks are easier to play, but it also requires you to play 2 different generic team ups... get my drift.

Those spots which have been taken up by these cards could easily be A Dodges, S Beatdowns, even F Kicks. You see where I'm headed. I see all the time the Mutant Nation Decks and they can't reliably play with these good plot twists.

What I would like to see though is a 3 team affiliation with all 8 generic team ups.. and maybe even some splashes... that'd be hot... I'm going to look into



Scott

I am surprised that now one has done the school team-up thing before. I have been running for about 3 months now.........let me tell you it is a thing of beauty

The post above refers to an article by Eric Wood, the most accompished Vs player in the world to date, on the X-Sentinels team-up. He later discredited the deck, believing that it was barely viable in MOR and not viable after the release of DOR.

ScottS is right on the money. After playing Mutant Nation for a bit, having to play 6-7 Team-ups meant that i couldn't play the necessary plot twists to stun my opponents creatures. Teming up for brute strength, as is Mutant Nation's plan, is too risky. You have the biggest creatures at every drop, but your opponents can just pump theirs to amtch u because they ave more room in deckbuilding. I also found i had to draw Wolverine, Logan all the time to get early team ups.

I can see how more synergistic teamups could work, i.e Common Enemy, because you plan on winning in different ways than Mutant Nation. Childlocking or relying on a strategy that doesnt implement size primarily seems like a auperior teamup plan.

Well I can atest to the school sentiels deck. my son runs it and holy cow is it devistating *shudder*

i'm sorry, psyclic, but that phrase you just used is patented!!!!!

How much do I owe you?

i'm also considering one hell of a team up deck that i've decided to dub Pig Vomit

it runs the GCPD swarm with the added bonus's of the mark iv's and kelly...

roughly something like....

16x Mark IV
24x GCPD Officer
4x Kelly
4x Longshot
4x Marvel Team-Up
4x Wayne Manor
4x Fizzle

thanks to wayne enterprises your a life gaining machine.... you also have the added bonus of surviving flame trap...I'm also contemplating Bat Signal and Gone but not Forgotten... I do have yet to test the deck though.....seeing as i own not a single dc card to my name.... anyone bearing foils for the above deck that are willing to trade - please let me know.....

dude. I've already built it

Add in Batman: The Dark Knight and Spoiler. Don't forget GCPD Headquarters, Combat Protocols and think about whether you want the mark IV or just wild sentinels.

um no?

why on earth would i want to add in all that? batmans too costly - i might consider him but doubtfull, the headquarters sucks - period, and protocols isnt even needed....

the wilds are fodder.... in this deck at least the fodder has automatic reinforcement and can nap me endurance... by the time i play a mark iv i should have found a team-up....

also i'm not sure on longshot though.... if i run gone but not forgotten i gain even more life as my officers will undoubtedly fall quite often... but if i run the signal i can searh for kelly.... or if *sighs* i run bats - i could search for him....

man hes good but hes just soo expensive i mean really - 7???? i could see maybe 5 or even 6 - but 7?

He's a kill condition. On turn 7, you play him, tap everything and end up with a 20/20 guy. Thanks to spoiler you've gained 13 life too.

It works. Obviously your play style differs to mine. I was always a fan of gain life in magic, and playing spoiler as my one-drop in limi...sealed-pack... has proven how effective life gain can be in VS.

Each to their own, different strokes, etc.

The 7rc Batman is like one of the best characters in DC.

Why? I lose to him ALL THE F**KING TIME!

I need like 17 wild sentinels + combat protocols to take him out :/

I was thinking that the missing deck could be Sentinel X with Kelly and Longshot to use(abuse) with the school for the gifted.

The thing is, if you dont draw longshot, you cant team up your guys, and if you add in any more Xmen it becomes a rather bad deck, unless you wanted to add in Cerebro as well.

To anyone who still cares:

I have been following the debate on the forums as to the missing deck. I still believe it be Doom Control.

I belie ve NAUTILUS, who claimed ont he forums to know the deck, to be lying. He has been unable to substantiate his claims.

In the "Roundtable interviews", where all this started, the only real information that was given is that they had a FF deck that beat Brotherhood all the time, and that wasn't even their best deck.

We have no real understanding of what they mean by "best". In MTG, r&d claimed Wizrds and White Weenie were doing really well in testing. Also, to their credit, they revealed their flawed testing with the Affinity mechanic. There are many filters in the information R&D generate and how it comes to be read by theri audience.

still it would be cool to know what the deck was... if it even exists... which i dont htink it does

my2c
Scott

Well PC Indy is this weekend.....or maybe next weekend so there isn't much time to wait and see what it is.......or isn't

GenCon is next weekend and with it PC-Indy.

This weekend is GP:NJ or something like that.

I'm curious, PC Indy has come and gone, anyone know who playedand what was the missing deck(apart from Arkham)?

Honest

Ther was a Doom control deck that finished day one in first place. Other than running 7 Doom-Bot's it looked pretty standard really.
There was one Unlikely Allies deck but I don't think did that well

The missing deck was merely waht R&D thought was the best deck before DC. It may have been Common Enemy. I still think it was Domm Control. There have been posts that have stated fter the fact that say whenever Omeed Doriani plays Doom they can't beat him. Also, if you can consistently draw Puppet Master vs FFbeats and BBH, which they said were there 2 and 3 decks, then u will nearly always win

i think its a ruse to get ppl off their asses and play test decks. i'm more interested in the card that everyone managed to miss.

Seriously no one missed any card. Nautilus is a liar. I challenged him to give me his real name, so i could track his progress at Indy, and he never replied. Anything that was posted in VSUniverse forums was hearsay.

Yeah, they were probably just trying to stir people up, or maybe their testing was a bit funny. Then again, maybe they did just mean Doom or Common Enemy, and just thought that everyone else had missed it when in fact they hadn't. Who knows? It doesn't really matter now though, since the Marvel Origins only constructed format will (probably) never exist again!