Please discuss this.

I really think at this stage in the game its maybe best to leave it at constructed, from what I have heard from people in Sydney they aren't really willing to go for sealed, although a few like the idea, the vast majority would prefer constructed, as the luck factor goes down in constructed somewhat.

I'll go out on a limb and say yes.
Either position is fraught with potential danger.
If it's constructed then there's the threat of Australian players descending on the event and, with their greater experience and resources, dominating. This could be discouraging for the locals.
If it's sealed then the Aussie players mightn't make the trip in the first place, which might impact on attendance.
Each has an upside as well.
Constucted is generally considered more skill-testing (although the luck notion in sealed seems to not accommodate the pure and simple fact that guys like ScottS do well every time ... I don't believe he's that lucky).
Sealed would balance the ledger in terms of resources. Generally, I'm assuming, there will be a lot fewer cards in NZ collections than here in Australia. Both in terms of individual collectors and community collections (for example, me borrowing the last few cards I need from any number of guys).
IMO, sealed would be something a bit different; give the more experienced Australian players a bit of an edge and therefore incentive to attend; and give the NZ guys a chance to overcome a bit of a resource inbalance and practice like crazy with sealed pack.
All of this said, in the end, I think the decision should be left up to the NZ'ers. It should be what they want.

Sorry Chris, but for one its putting a huge advantage on the Sydney players, to date Wellington has played about 7 or 8 sealed events (6 of them being drafts...) whereas Sydney have 2 a week? I might be wrong.
Number 2. As this is the Inaugral New Zealand 10k I think it should be set as Constructed, make Brisbane Sealed if you please because it is the third 10k in Aussie/
Number 3. Numbers will drop, you can bet that once you announce that 10k Aux is Sealed you will lose HALF (Not Jared Blakemore) of the wellington Populace in attendance.
Number 4. Jared will have a distinct advantage, I need to sealed some more...
Number 5. No way to test. We have to wait 3 months and there is NO WAY anyones budget down here can afford 30 bux (or 20 for Draft) per weekend, Im straining at about 15.
Number 6. Its not a good idea (This is not SPAM, Honest.)
Number 7. Paul Van Der Werk will win this saturday!

That is all.

I think Ike makes some very good points. I voted no in the poll. But I wish to clarify this. I am going to the 10K regardless, and think that sealed would be awesome. But, as the game is just getting going in NZ, and they do not play as much sealed as we do I think there first 10K should be inline with the rest of the world, and constructed. I think the first repeat 10K (eg Sydney or Melbourne) should be limited. I also have lots of ideas on how the limited might be run, but that is for another topic posting.

Playing with one sealed deck for the whole day is a bad idea since it impacts can allow a potentially bad player who opens an amazing deck to dominate better players who opened weaker decks, maybe have it as a few drafts every say 5 rounds and make it a 2 day event or something?

Thanks for your replies and feedback.

I'm going to let this run a few days and see what sort of feedback I get (say until Monday 24th).

I'm not that worried about the attendance of Auckland to be honest, I expect around 50 players (regardless of attendance, it's going to be a great event with lots of fun for all).

The event currently stands at constructed, unless we get a response that proves the community would like to see it change.

Thanks,

As a Rob, I voted No.
Pesonally, I dont like the Sealed Format. Mentally, I asssociate Luck not Skill as a requirment to play this format because you are truly at the mercy of the boosters.
Let me decide my own fate with my own creation. Let me play constructed.

Just a small anecdote: For the Sydney 10K, I was 100% sure Turbo-Alicia (Longshot/Thing/Wolvie rush) was the way to go. I loved playing that deck because when it went off, it was pretty much unstoppable. Its crowning moment, stumping Scott Smith for the win in Round 1 of the 10K. Sure I went 3-7 on the day, I didnt know who Scott was and I am quiet possibly the lowest ranked player in Oceania. But kudos I got from local players for that win made me proud that my little creation had done good. I dont expect the same connection with the Sealed deck format.

As a NZ VS Player, I voted No.
We dont play alot of Sealed Format here mostly due to cost and time. Players experienced in the format would definitely have the advantage over the majority of NZ Players.

As a NZ PTO, I voted No.
I am looking at the Auckland 10K as a showcase event for New Zealand players and their creations, many of which will never see a pro-circuit or any major premier events ever.
I am looking to give our guys exposure to a quality line-up of players (thats you guys in the red and white Shirts and all those that say 'Sex' instead of 'Six') that will test their limits and broaden their horizons. Maybe inspiring new players and motivating the Old.
I am looking for an event which will be easy to sell to the public, players and retailers alike. Some still reeling from passed Marvel/DC franchise failures.
I am looking for a diversity of events. Would I chop the PCQ for an Aussie vs NZ team event? In a second. Would I reconsider a Marvel vs DC 10K like PCLA? Definitely.

IMHO, I believe a Sealed format 10K will have a significant negative impact across the board affecting everything from attendance to morale. However, noone should be reluctant submitting ideas, we love to hear what you think and feedback is ALWAYS appreciated.

As an Aucklander, I like to put forward that it should be a sealed event.
But only if its Marvel Knights.

The reason behind this comment is thatas it has been stated Kiwis don't play as much sealed as the Aussies, so most of you guys have a huge head start on us with MOS sealed.
But if we know that 10K Auckland is going to be sealed and we know it's going to be Marvel knights then we have time to plan, practise and basicly have a more even playing field come 10k.
I hate to say this but after going to the Melborne 10K and placing the best of the kiwis that played (51st) I think that Sealed is the best way for a kiwi to have a chance of winning Auckland 10k. As Ike said they just have a greater pool of cards, players and tournament to test in than we do at the moment.

I also like the fact that this could put a New Zealand vs on the map, much like the one game format did for Oz.

In the end I'll be there with the Meetup Crew no matter what we're playing.

thats my 2 cents.
Iain

I am torn as to what the format should be. However, i think the most convincing arguments have come from Ike and Rob. Although i lean towards Ike atm, and think sealed would be a great change, maybe Brisbane is the right place to do it.

I too voted no, not because I wouldn't rather sealed but for the disadvantage that may be a result for the NZ players. I do hope that we have a future 10k event that is sealed but I think it would have to be a sealed/draft combination which obviously would bumb up the entry fee.

Is there a possibility for something like 6 rounds constructed and last 3 rounds draft or is that just a silly Xmen idea

will defeat

This is a great discussion.

I'm very interested to hear what people think of this, regardless of the outcome, it's very healthy for people to talk about this stuff.

I want to hear what you all have to say about it.

Assume that at some point we're going to do sealed 10k - have no fear.

Should Auckland be a worldwide first? Would it be a good thing? Would people flock to sunny Auckland to participate.

That?s really the question

I think a combined constructed/draft 10K would be awesome. You could do the final draft section by seedings based on place in the tournament so far, to spread the leads after the 1st 3 rounds throut the pods. Eg places 1,9,17,25,33,41,49,57 in one pod; 2,10,18,26,34,42,50,58 in thge next etc. That could make for the best 10K yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I voted Yes because as a Auckland VS System player I would prefer a sealed format as that puts us Kiwis (who might not have 4 copies of the good rare cards) on a more level footing with the Australians who do.

I also appreciate the chance to gather more cards

However the cost would have to be reasonable say between $40 and $50 because otherwise the cost would become a bit too steep for visiting Wellingtonians and Australians who have to pay for travel and accommadation already.

I'd prefer it as 3x Drafts but as that format is a bit more skill intensive I can see why it's not offered.

Fudgee

Let's get Auckland done first and look at Wellington for 2006 =)


~Chris

I voted NO simply because my preference for a 10k event is constructed.
I am planning on attending the Auckland 10k - obv I would be happier if its constructed over sealed, but I'd like more sydney players to step up and voice their opinions as well.
I wouldn't mind a mixed constructed & sealed, as VanWolfGang pointed out, but again that might be too awkward to organise.

I would vote for constructed just for the sheer fact that all good limited players are smelly weirdo's....I man have you seen a picture of Scott Smith's head, its MASSIVE!!!!!!!

Seriously thou I think it has to be constructed becuase changing it this late in the day is a little rough for poeple gearing up to go and play constructed.

Sam K

Hey all, I'm Zac Olssen, a New Zealander from wellington.

I have been playing the vs system since a few months after it came out. I find it interesting that you do want a sealed for the auckland 10k but IMO no matter if it is sealed or constructed you are not going to get a range of people coming in from further away than Australia purely because it is oing to cost them too much. Even if you look at it as *i'm going to go down in vs history because i got the first 10k sealed trophy*, well i don't know the exact costs for flights, but im guessing it would cost less than 2500 us. So basicly looking at it your saying:

Would i be willing to fly to New Zealand and back, if i didnt win?

Would i be willing to fly to New Zealand and back, if i did win?

Am i willing to take the risk of X amount of money on winning?

Ok so a few people will, but remember, you Australians will be paying like 1/5 of what they will be paying so its not nearly as big a break if you don't lose.

Anyway thats what i've got to say, after all that if you didn't read into it or i didn't specify it (which i may not have) i vote no for sealed i think that it will lose players, not gain them. And i think that yes it will put New Zealanders on the back foot by a long way, and would we really want one of you Aussies winning our first 10k? come on, we are all going to vote constructed for the better chance of a local taking it out, or atleast most people i know are.

bhood and tt are the coolest, rushing is funnest, jsut remember that...

Opps I dont know why I got it in my head that it was 3 weeks away....

Sam K

I think the more NZ players who get on here and voice their opinions the better plus we'd love to have more kiwis on the site

(As long as they like Xmen more then Arkham)

Sealed pack is a little too random for my liking. Constructed for sure. I wouldn't make the trip for sealed.

'Nando

I voted no. I believe the showcase Sydney & Melbourne put on was superb. It allowed A LOT of different deck types and play styles to been displayed, and so far I haven't heard of 1 person who had a bad time.

There's probably around 12 people I know who know what they're doing limited/draft wise. There is 10 times that Nationally for constructed.

Wait until some local stores start reporting sealed event attendences of 25+ regularly(seems a way off considering we had but 10 at last weekends PCQ)then start looking at premium sealed events

One day, sure, run a BIG sealed event. however, I don't think that time as yet is now.

Cheers

Honest
Going to shred X-me in 48 hours time

Well, i vote yes.

As a Aucklander, I have to say that we play a lot of Sealed. I usually get one sealed event in a week.
The event is three months away, which leaves a lot of time to practice. Practice can be found everywhere, I mean whenever you buy a box, play some sealed with it.
I just think people are worrying over nothing.

Let me tell you how it is,

If you make it sealed pack, Wellington WILL NOT PRACTICE.
Other then the magic guys and barring the Preview for MMK us guys will not have the resources to play a sealed game a FORTNIGHT.
I have been playing Constructed for a LOOONG time
By the Time the event rolls around I will have played for a Year, you learn a hell of a lot in one year and be sure that 1 year worth of experience (about the same of you guys...No?).
You have already had *threats* of people not turning up to the event
Chris Z said he wasnt worrying about attendance but if so then what if we repeat England? Its down to Enchante and the other players to build a playerbase. Threats of people not attending isn't good.
Sealed Pack evening the field? Huh?
It would explain why Ramon and Jared own the Sealed scene in EVERY ASPECT.
Jareds on a 4 or 5 win SPREE which includes the PCQ
Bad Pulls
I WILL NOT be happy if I pull some crap if it is sealed. Im sure other people agree, sure the locals will enjoy 15 boosters for 30 but I gotta pay 330.
The Luck Factor
Sealed: Luck of the draw. 'Nuff said.
My Creation!
I have been working on this deck for 3 Months, and will continue to do so unless it is sealed
Waste of Armageddon: Theres an IDEA!
Make Armageddon Sealed! Booyas!
I'm no good
As a player interested in earning the cash I want to be playing my optimum format. Fortunately Constructed is this.

Please ponder the above points.

shaun, How is it up to me (iain) build the player base? I'm just a player myself and I admit that I have stepped up and taken my judges tests and brought new (might I add some of the best) players into VS. But I don't work for UDE, I'm not even the Auckland TO. So please watch what you say about me.

As for threats of people not attending if that was aim at my last post, I'm sorry if it came across as threat it wasn't meant to be, I was just stating what the feeling of the players I talked to at Hobby League last night. The Threats of not showing up I have seen have come you, so using as one your points seem abit strange.

Shaun I not disrespecting you point of view and I understand why you want to constucted but please think before post.

I'm betting Hernando will rock up, regardless of the format - even if it was a VS RPS standoff

Sealed Pack evens the field between the Aussies and the NZ'ers. Would you prefer Ramon and the other guy who supposedly wins all the PCQ's to come top 8 in sealed at least, with 6 other sydney guys, or no NZ'ers at all in the top 8, which is what may occur in constructed if Melbournes results are what we are going on.

And yes, Hernando has probably already booked his flight. 3 rounds of sealed deck he would turn up for regardless.

Hes a machine.

So why is every second post about how you can't play certain formats?

Show us what the NZ elite have in store for us.

Erm, Well Ok you got me there.

And to let you all know I do want to play more sealed deck its just its difficult to round up 8 people when we have to pay standard $8 NZ per Booster, at 40 bux a person it is hard to motivate people to play.
This is why Constructed is the format we are better at.

And who said I was in the Elite aye?

Well just because the Legend made a plee to get more Kiwi's on da site i decided to add my 2 cents...... First of all I dont think anyone actually knows me so let me introduce myself.

My name is Umar. Ive been playing versus for about 6 months now and consider myself a good player (not to be confussed with a great player or an elite player or a guy that thinks hes da man when we all know different...). Now i voted yes to da sealed format for Auk 10k. Ive read alot of post about "we dont get enuff practice..." "Aussies do this every week......" "A few players are gona dominate..." Well i think that all dat is crap. (No offence to anyone tho). In my first pcq i had played about zero booster sealed before entering....... Now I happily went out dere played my hardest and walked away with a Cheque for US$500 and a nice shiny red VS Deck Box. So all dis talk about "we dont practice" is complete rubbish in my opinion.

Now in my 2nd sealed at welly pcq. I was quite happy wen i opened my packs 2 see all da superman plots and locations i could ever need and hope for. I went on to make a Darkseid/New Gods deck. When i showed sum people wat i left out (superman rares) they thought i was nuts. I went undefeated thru the round robins but stumbled in da semis. Da point is. Its doesnt matter how good your cards are in sealed, its about building the strongest deck possible, even if its gotta be all commons! All my rares are now happily sitting inside a superman deck but on da day they were not viable cos i didnt have any supes characters over 5.

Fact is this will even out the playing field. Haveing them aussies coming over here and walking away with the cash because its constructed is not sumfing im looking forward too. Dont get me wrong. I will try my best to stop dis from happening but in all reality i just dont have the cards in my constructed decks to beat theirs. But well dats my 2 cents.

GO DA MEETUP CREW!!!!!

There's some great discussion in here.
Grats to all participants.